ronald reagan, six years during his tax reform we went from $600 billion to $1 trillion worth of revenue. that's a 67% increase. even george bush's tax cuts, in 2003, federal revenue was a little under $1.8 trillion. before the housing vote, $2.5 trillion. that's a 42% increase in revenue to the federal government. lowering marginal tax rates is incentivizing. >> i hear you on that. what people are taking exception to is without details, as a taxpayer, of what's on the table and what's off the table, it's a very easy way to throw out numbers without necessarily being having to be responsible for the math working out. i mean i thought martha raddatz did a very good job on this. she's sort of like you're not again going to give specifics. and chris wallace -- >> you are giving specifics as you're giving directions to congress. this is what ceos do. listen, as you design this, make sure that people making $200,000 will not have their tax burden lowered. but we're going to lower their marginal tax rate because that produces inseverives for them to create jobs. for people making less than $20